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		<title>By: mattblass</title>
		<link>http://removingcomplexity.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/why-budgets-are-bad/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>mattblass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the bite-sized pieces idea, and that&#039;s really how I think of the one number.  It&#039;s a single number that I can digest and chew in one bite.  If it&#039;s off, then I know I should look deeper (if I wasn&#039;t already expecting it to be off for a good reason).

Technically, a budget is probably defined as plan forward, track backwards, but it&#039;s more often used as plan and track forward.  Track forward as having everything planned out already - $X for this, $Y or that, and 42 other things that have already been planned or estimated out (like christmas presents in Feb).  Not really a bad thing, especially if a person has problems with that (and many do), but as you note, it&#039;s the extreme planning that&#039;s at issue, and that&#039;s sadly how people learn to budget by planning and estimating ever possible little thing.

I don&#039;t want to do that, and hence, I don&#039;t budget (although technically I probably do budget to some extent).  What I really want is a stream of my purchasing habits tracked over time, but only there for me to look back on, not to match up to some preplanned &quot;forward tracking&quot; budget.  Deemphasize the money and smaller items for the big longer term goals.  If I&#039;m having problems hit those bigger goals, then maybe my smaller items are getting in the way, and more hardcore tracking/budgeting is called for.  I haven&#039;t myself needed that though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the bite-sized pieces idea, and that&#8217;s really how I think of the one number.  It&#8217;s a single number that I can digest and chew in one bite.  If it&#8217;s off, then I know I should look deeper (if I wasn&#8217;t already expecting it to be off for a good reason).</p>
<p>Technically, a budget is probably defined as plan forward, track backwards, but it&#8217;s more often used as plan and track forward.  Track forward as having everything planned out already &#8211; $X for this, $Y or that, and 42 other things that have already been planned or estimated out (like christmas presents in Feb).  Not really a bad thing, especially if a person has problems with that (and many do), but as you note, it&#8217;s the extreme planning that&#8217;s at issue, and that&#8217;s sadly how people learn to budget by planning and estimating ever possible little thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to do that, and hence, I don&#8217;t budget (although technically I probably do budget to some extent).  What I really want is a stream of my purchasing habits tracked over time, but only there for me to look back on, not to match up to some preplanned &#8220;forward tracking&#8221; budget.  Deemphasize the money and smaller items for the big longer term goals.  If I&#8217;m having problems hit those bigger goals, then maybe my smaller items are getting in the way, and more hardcore tracking/budgeting is called for.  I haven&#8217;t myself needed that though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://removingcomplexity.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/why-budgets-are-bad/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plan forward, track backwards. That works for me, may not others.&quot;

But that&#039;s exactly what a budget is, or should be!

You take a look at your situation, you ask yourself what you want, what you value, what you need, and you plan how you&#039;re going to get there.

You look backward to see how well you&#039;ve done.  It&#039;s goal-setting w/ money.  Granted, some people take it to a granularity that is (IMHO) a complete and utter waste of time, but taken in moderation, it&#039;s extremely powerful to have a monthly (or whenever) time to sit down and see how you&#039;re doing, where you were, where you&#039;re going...

You&#039;re right about the one number at the end of the day, but one number is almost too high, too grob, to be reachable by most.  It needs to be broken down into, excuse the cliche, bite-sized pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plan forward, track backwards. That works for me, may not others.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s exactly what a budget is, or should be!</p>
<p>You take a look at your situation, you ask yourself what you want, what you value, what you need, and you plan how you&#8217;re going to get there.</p>
<p>You look backward to see how well you&#8217;ve done.  It&#8217;s goal-setting w/ money.  Granted, some people take it to a granularity that is (IMHO) a complete and utter waste of time, but taken in moderation, it&#8217;s extremely powerful to have a monthly (or whenever) time to sit down and see how you&#8217;re doing, where you were, where you&#8217;re going&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the one number at the end of the day, but one number is almost too high, too grob, to be reachable by most.  It needs to be broken down into, excuse the cliche, bite-sized pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: mattblass</title>
		<link>http://removingcomplexity.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/why-budgets-are-bad/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>mattblass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree Jon.  For me, having an idea where you money is going is key.  I&#039;ve budgeted, but for me, that was absolutely no help.  It was honestly a complete waste of my time.  I tried it twice in my life for a year and then six months thinking that was the responsible way to do personal finances, but each time I realized it didn&#039;t help me because I didn&#039;t have any problems spending and saving responsibly.

I see budgets as a solution for persons with really bad spending habits.  It does work for certain types of people, and yes the world would be better if everyone did it, but the reality is that most people won&#039;t do it, so we need an alternative.  The bare minimum is, the essence of setting up a budget, is understanding where you money is going, so yes, tracking is key, but I actually track only one number now because I&#039;ve learned that the one number I track defines how well I&#039;ve been spending and saving, so I plan some big things I&#039;d like in the future, but when I track, I&#039;m looking backwards instead of looking forwards like budgeting makes you do.

Plan forward, track backwards.  That works for me, may not others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree Jon.  For me, having an idea where you money is going is key.  I&#8217;ve budgeted, but for me, that was absolutely no help.  It was honestly a complete waste of my time.  I tried it twice in my life for a year and then six months thinking that was the responsible way to do personal finances, but each time I realized it didn&#8217;t help me because I didn&#8217;t have any problems spending and saving responsibly.</p>
<p>I see budgets as a solution for persons with really bad spending habits.  It does work for certain types of people, and yes the world would be better if everyone did it, but the reality is that most people won&#8217;t do it, so we need an alternative.  The bare minimum is, the essence of setting up a budget, is understanding where you money is going, so yes, tracking is key, but I actually track only one number now because I&#8217;ve learned that the one number I track defines how well I&#8217;ve been spending and saving, so I plan some big things I&#8217;d like in the future, but when I track, I&#8217;m looking backwards instead of looking forwards like budgeting makes you do.</p>
<p>Plan forward, track backwards.  That works for me, may not others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://removingcomplexity.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/why-budgets-are-bad/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 23 year old trying-to-save type person who works a couple of jobs and I think more important than a &quot;I Can Only Spend $17 On Nachos This Month&quot; type of budget is for people to be aware of what they are spending their money on and how much they are spending.

I have a lot of friends that I work with or go to school that have no idea how much money they are spending every month on eating out, or on clothes.  I think if you have no realistic idea of where your money is going, you&#039;ll never have control of it.  I always tell them to write down everything they buy for a week to get started and then let shock set it.

So more important than an envelope with $12 in it that you will only buy T-shirts with, I think it is important to track and understand your spending and make appropriate adjustments.

Not budgeting, exactly, just being smart about money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 23 year old trying-to-save type person who works a couple of jobs and I think more important than a &#8220;I Can Only Spend $17 On Nachos This Month&#8221; type of budget is for people to be aware of what they are spending their money on and how much they are spending.</p>
<p>I have a lot of friends that I work with or go to school that have no idea how much money they are spending every month on eating out, or on clothes.  I think if you have no realistic idea of where your money is going, you&#8217;ll never have control of it.  I always tell them to write down everything they buy for a week to get started and then let shock set it.</p>
<p>So more important than an envelope with $12 in it that you will only buy T-shirts with, I think it is important to track and understand your spending and make appropriate adjustments.</p>
<p>Not budgeting, exactly, just being smart about money.</p>
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		<title>By: mattblass</title>
		<link>http://removingcomplexity.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/why-budgets-are-bad/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>mattblass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;m completely right (and I do like being provocative), but I also think that there really is something wrong with the budgeting process.  At the end of the day, most people don&#039;t budget and they get by OK (we&#039;ll see when retirement comes).  I don&#039;t believe in a hardcore regimented budgeting process, but there&#039;s got to be a good balance, and usually once you&#039;ve got something that works it&#039;s less of a process and more a guide in the back of your head.  That&#039;s where most people should ideally be, but we don&#039;t live in an ideal world.

Part of the reason I trash budgeting is because it has that bad stigma that you note.  I still think people need to do it to some degree, but it&#039;s like talking about global warming, the word itself is almost too loaded to get beyond the stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;m completely right (and I do like being provocative), but I also think that there really is something wrong with the budgeting process.  At the end of the day, most people don&#8217;t budget and they get by OK (we&#8217;ll see when retirement comes).  I don&#8217;t believe in a hardcore regimented budgeting process, but there&#8217;s got to be a good balance, and usually once you&#8217;ve got something that works it&#8217;s less of a process and more a guide in the back of your head.  That&#8217;s where most people should ideally be, but we don&#8217;t live in an ideal world.</p>
<p>Part of the reason I trash budgeting is because it has that bad stigma that you note.  I still think people need to do it to some degree, but it&#8217;s like talking about global warming, the word itself is almost too loaded to get beyond the stereotypes.</p>
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